What feels like many moons ago, I was interviewed on The Steer podcast, the coolest idea for a show ever: the hosts bring on writers to talk about music, and musicians to talk about books. It’s like a dream come true if you’re a person like me.

The episode we taped that long ago day on March 2nd is now up and live and the final version of the episode is so, so good.

I never listen to interviews I do. It’s just too weird. But because of its conversational format, I really wanted to hear this one, listen to the conversation I had with writers Jeff Alesandrelli and Joshua James Amberson.

As I suspected, it was a fantastic talk about failed projects, giving up, inspiration, not giving up, and the way success can be confusing for a minute. Also, tons of music. Also, I read the beginning of a new story that took me 15 years to write.

When you have an hour, check it out.